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#1 Quiet-Tiger

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Posted 25 April 2012 - 06:12 AM

Um, I'm not sure what you are stating here. The USA has nothing to do with the loss of custom mercs....I believe it would be Germany that has the problem. Interesting perspective you have there....such insight.


Wal Mart was brought up my Michael from Bit Composer in a previous post on this thread so I thought I would poke fun at my southern gun toting neighbors out of frustration. I realize that there are other countries with equally silly rating systems. Australia comes to mind for one. I'm sure there are others, and sadly as PC games become more visually realistic I'm sure there will be more. The US just make it so easy to poke fun at them when it come to this sort of thing (guns). I'm sure I will attract no end of flaming from the US forum members. I work for a US company and have a lot of American friends many of whom poke fun at this sort of thing themselves. I don't have anything against Americans... well most of them anyway. It is the US politics and policies that are laughable. Oh and ya Canada is a laugh as well... just not in a gun toting sort of way. When there is a game about curling that forces you to play in Canada's both official languages we can poke fun ant Canada ok hay!

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Posted 25 April 2012 - 07:16 AM

Wal Mart was brought up my Michael from Bit Composer in a previous post on this thread so I thought I would poke fun at my southern gun toting neighbors out of frustration. I realize that there are other countries with equally silly rating systems. Australia comes to mind for one. I'm sure there are others, and sadly as PC games become more visually realistic I'm sure there will be more. The US just make it so easy to poke fun at them when it come to this sort of thing (guns). I'm sure I will attract no end of flaming from the US forum members. I work for a US company and have a lot of American friends many of whom poke fun at this sort of thing themselves. I don't have anything against Americans... well most of them anyway. It is the US politics and policies that are laughable. Oh and ya Canada is a laugh as well... just not in a gun toting sort of way. When there is a game about curling that forces you to play in Canada's both official languages we can poke fun ant Canada ok hay!



1 out of 3 people in Canada own a gun, putting Canada in 13th in the world for gun ownership, we are neighbors, you just have not figured that out yet :)

http://en.wikipedia....pita_by_country

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Posted 25 April 2012 - 10:17 AM

1 out of 3 people in Canada own a gun, putting Canada in 13th in the world for gun ownership, we are neighbors, you just have not figured that out yet :)

http://en.wikipedia....pita_by_country


That's funny right there... Seriously you are going to compare a bunch of bunch of .22 cal pop guns owned by hunters and farmers to the high density of hand guns owned in urban areas in the US? Everyone has a point of view. If you think Canadians have the same gun culture as the US then ok. I just don't hang with the crowed that carries a pair of desert eagles to work and has a gun rack in the pickup. That is in spite of my military service and working closely with current members of the fun loving Canadian military. I guess Canadian military mostly leave there work where it belongs... at work. Or at least the crowed I hang with anyway. After all I am a Wal Mart shopping, digital toy gun toting, Canadian pacifist!

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Posted 25 April 2012 - 09:41 PM

That's funny right there... Seriously you are going to compare a bunch of bunch of .22 cal pop guns owned by hunters and farmers to the high density of hand guns owned in urban areas in the US? Everyone has a point of view. If you think Canadians have the same gun culture as the US then ok. I just don't hang with the crowed that carries a pair of desert eagles to work and has a gun rack in the pickup. That is in spite of my military service and working closely with current members of the fun loving Canadian military. I guess Canadian military mostly leave there work where it belongs... at work. Or at least the crowed I hang with anyway. After all I am a Wal Mart shopping, digital toy gun toting, Canadian pacifist!



1. If your farmers and hunters have .22, please advise them that a .22 does not really do anything to deer and bears.
2. We do have the same "gun culture", we just happen to have a lot more criminals.(Welfare people that get pissy when their welfare check is late)
3. I do not carry a pair of desert eagles as I find an M1911A1 does well on its own, even better as I keep HP loaded in mine.
4. A pacifist? Playing JA? LOL? Don't worry I firmly believe in your freedom to own or not to own a firearm, that is your choice. If you do not own a firearm and ever find yourself in need of one, please give me a call,(I live in Ohio) and I can be there to help you as soon as I can. Until I get there, just ask the criminal to wait, I am sure he/she will wait...

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Posted 25 April 2012 - 10:36 PM

hahahahhahha. Mongoose... today I had this same discussion on a very different forum... Its funny how same

arguing appears in so different places. Did you know guys that in Switzerland they have weapons at home? inside

a locked wardrobe. And nothing happens. Do that same thing in let´s say...Spain? my country. You´ll have a second

Yugoslavia in less than one week. As many people think Americans are cowboys here , I dont. You need to have a certain

base of ¨weapon culture¨ in order to allow population to get access to them... At least there is where my 5cents go...

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Posted 26 April 2012 - 02:51 AM

hahahahhahha. Mongoose... today I had this same discussion on a very different forum... Its funny how same

arguing appears in so different places. Did you know guys that in Switzerland they have weapons at home? inside

a locked wardrobe. And nothing happens. Do that same thing in let´s say...Spain? my country. You´ll have a second

Yugoslavia in less than one week. As many people think Americans are cowboys here , I dont. You need to have a certain

base of ¨weapon culture¨ in order to allow population to get access to them... At least there is where my 5cents go...



I think the whole world can learn from Switzerland. The GOVERMENT gives every one a weapon and TEACHES THEM how to use it. No wonder they have such a low crime rate. Ignorant people like to cry for gun control, which restricts law abiding citizens from owning guns, since criminals do not care about the laws, it leaves all the criminals with guns and no one else. Sometimes I think democrats should google the word: "STUPID" :)


P.S. Here is what happens when a country makes guns illegal...

On November 11, 1938, Germany enacted the “Regulations Against Jews’ Possession of Weapons,” which made it illegal for Jews to carry firearms or other weapons.

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Posted 26 April 2012 - 06:49 AM

P.S. Here is what happens when a country makes guns illegal...
On November 11, 1938, Germany enacted the “Regulations Against Jews’ Possession of Weapons,” which made it illegal for Jews to carry firearms or other weapons.


I don't want start a Discussion about this theme. Specially not about the Context of 1938. But actual the Laws about weapons in Germany are very strict.
If you want to own Weapons its Possible but the System will control so far as Possible that Weapons will not be misused.
So far I can compare Germany with the USA without have been Visited the USA, I believe we have in Germany a very good Live with Control over weapons.
Sure this can not Prevent all missuses of Weapons but by the Statistic I know
USA have 11 000 missuses of Fire guns per year, this means 311 000 000 / 11 000 = 28 300
Germany have 250 missuses of Fireguns per year, this means 80 000 000 / 250 = 320 000
Means in Germany the chance to be victim of a Crime with a Fire gun is 1/10 of the chance in the USA.
But true if we have a alien invasion the USA are better prepared ;)
If you search the reason for a Low Crime rate you better look at the social environment of a Country, i am sure if Switzerland would have less money for the poor people they would thought again about their Weaponlaws.

And please stop to talk about Evil Germany with his Nazis or I start to talk about evil USA with their Slavers B)
Both happened before anyone of us here has been born
If you want to talk about it make a new Tread in the "Smalltalk" sektion, or bether in a Political Forum

Back to Topic,
I am happy and wait in enjoyment. Hope the changes would be so good as they sounds

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Posted 26 April 2012 - 08:04 AM

I don't want start a Discussion about this theme. Specially not about the Context of 1938. But actual the Laws about weapons in Germany are very strict.
If you want to own Weapons its Possible but the System will control so far as Possible that Weapons will not be misused.
So far I can compare Germany with the USA without have been Visited the USA, I believe we have in Germany a very good Live with Control over weapons.
Sure this can not Prevent all missuses of Weapons but by the Statistic I know
USA have 11 000 missuses of Fire guns per year, this means 311 000 000 / 11 000 = 28 300
Germany have 250 missuses of Fireguns per year, this means 80 000 000 / 250 = 320 000
Means in Germany the chance to be victim of a Crime with a Fire gun is 1/10 of the chance in the USA.
But true if we have a alien invasion the USA are better prepared ;)
If you search the reason for a Low Crime rate you better look at the social environment of a Country, i am sure if Switzerland would have less money for the poor people they would thought again about their Weaponlaws.

And please stop to talk about Evil Germany with his Nazis or I start to talk about evil USA with their Slavers B)
Both happened before anyone of us here has been born
If you want to talk about it make a new Tread in the "Smalltalk" sektion, or bether in a Political Forum

Back to Topic,
I am happy and wait in enjoyment. Hope the changes would be so good as they sounds



You are really grasping at straws on this one... I never even mentioned an "evil Germany", nor do I think German people are evil. Hitler was a socialist pyscho, the same as Obama. Since you brought up crimes rates by country, Germany ranks 3rd in the world, almost second...

http://www.nationmas...me-total-crimes

Now considering that Germany has a population of 80 million and the US has a population of 300 million, we have twice as many crimes, but we also have over 3 times the amount of people.

http://en.wikipedia....s_by_population

Next time check the facts before posting...

P.S. I like the alien invasion comment, does that apply to illegal aliens as well? As far as Hitler versus slavery, I am a hard core conservative, we freed the slaves...

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Posted 26 April 2012 - 08:35 AM

... ups you can delete this one ...
Would only say
Make a own tread in smalltalk

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Posted 26 April 2012 - 09:56 AM

You are really grasping at straws on this one... I never even mentioned an "evil Germany", nor do I think German people are evil. Hitler was a socialist pyscho, the same as Obama. Since you brought up crimes rates by country, Germany ranks 3rd in the world, almost second...

http://www.nationmas...me-total-crimes

Now considering that Germany has a population of 80 million and the US has a population of 300 million, we have twice as many crimes, but we also have over 3 times the amount of people.

http://en.wikipedia....s_by_population

Next time check the facts before posting...

P.S. I like the alien invasion comment, does that apply to illegal aliens as well? As far as Hitler versus slavery, I am a hard core conservative, we freed the slaves...

sorry for the off toppic bit i cant stand for this bullshit. comparing obama to hitler are you insane?

also your statistics start looking at murders with firearms. the US is number 4 in the world with lets say loose or no gun control, number of murders 9400! ; germany on the other hand has about 300. even if you consider the difference in population you cant deny that there are far more gun murders in the US. among the reasons for this: easy access to weapons.

murders with firearms

also murder per 100,000 US 5.9 germany 1!

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Posted 26 April 2012 - 10:13 AM

Continue your discussion here, please. I won't moderate this one since I have lost oversight. You can blame each other with the words you chose.
I won't answer all questions. I do my best to answer those I can and I am allowed to answer.

Please note: Check my profile for updates sometimes. Cause sometimes I update it with interesting posts. Or with informations about my holidays. Which also can be interesting if you are waiting for support.

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Posted 26 April 2012 - 10:31 AM

You are really grasping at straws on this one... I never even mentioned an "evil Germany", nor do I think German people are evil. Hitler was a socialist pyscho, the same as Obama. Since you brought up crimes rates by country, Germany ranks 3rd in the world, almost second...

http://www.nationmas...me-total-crimes

Now considering that Germany has a population of 80 million and the US has a population of 300 million, we have twice as many crimes, but we also have over 3 times the amount of people.

http://en.wikipedia....s_by_population

Next time check the facts before posting...

P.S. I like the alien invasion comment, does that apply to illegal aliens as well? As far as Hitler versus slavery, I am a hard core conservative, we freed the slaves...


And read your own sources
at the bottom of your link you find this

DEFINITION: Note: Crime statistics are often better indicators of prevalence of law enforcement and willingness to report crime, than actual prevalence.



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Posted 26 April 2012 - 12:39 PM

sorry for the off toppic bit i cant stand for this bullshit. comparing obama to hitler are you insane?

also your statistics start looking at murders with firearms. the US is number 4 in the world with lets say loose or no gun control, number of murders 9400! ; germany on the other hand has about 300. even if you consider the difference in population you cant deny that there are far more gun murders in the US. among the reasons for this: easy access to weapons.

murders with firearms

also murder per 100,000 US 5.9 germany 1!



Oh... Obama is a socialist and so was Hitler, do you deny this? While Obama has not yet slaughtered millions of people, do you know that the US is in a crisis due to unemployment? As of this post, the US has the most strict rules and highest tax rate IN THE WORLD for businesses. This problem will not correct itself unless businesses are allowed to grow and hire new employees.


The stats were based on crime rate not crimes with firearms.(I thought that crimes in the US were the topic) If you go on crimerate alone, Germany has almost 2-1 more crimes then the US.(per capita) As far as crimes with firearms, I agree 100%, the US is horrible, because the goverment keeps creating new gun laws while not enforcing the ones already on the books. People still do not understand that criminals DO NOT FOLLOW THE LAWS, that is why they are called criminals.

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Posted 26 April 2012 - 12:40 PM

And read your own sources
at the bottom of your link you find this



You have me confused with your post. Are you saying that the US in general tries to hide crime?

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Posted 26 April 2012 - 01:16 PM

You have me confused with your post. Are you saying that the US in general tries to hide crime?

I need to say nothing, I only quote your own source. But if you understand it so ....

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Posted 26 April 2012 - 01:49 PM

Oh... Obama is a socialist and so was Hitler, do you deny this? While Obama has not yet slaughtered millions of people, do you know that the US is in a crisis due to unemployment? As of this post, the US has the most strict rules and highest tax rate IN THE WORLD for businesses. This problem will not correct itself unless businesses are allowed to grow and hire new employees.


The stats were based on crime rate not crimes with firearms.(I thought that crimes in the US were the topic) If you go on crimerate alone, Germany has almost 2-1 more crimes then the US.(per capita) As far as crimes with firearms, I agree 100%, the US is horrible, because the goverment keeps creating new gun laws while not enforcing the ones already on the books. People still do not understand that criminals DO NOT FOLLOW THE LAWS, that is why they are called criminals.

so are you really comparing a democraticly elected president with a dictator who commited the biggest genocide in the history of mankind? i get it you are one of those die hard republicans but that comparison is crossing the line!

another thing you need to educate yourself is the concept of socialsm you act like it is a bad thing to care for your fellow society-members. being a socalist is in no way equal to being a communist.

your whole point in the previous post was that gun control cannot prevent crimes i say it does by limiting access to deadly weapons. i used your statistics to prove my point. if you are still not convinced you cant be helped.

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Posted 27 April 2012 - 04:07 AM

I need to say nothing, I only quote your own source. But if you understand it so ....


Do you have any idea what you are talking about? You say: "I need to say nothing", which means you do not know the answer to the question? I do not understand, that is why I am asking you.

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Posted 27 April 2012 - 04:15 AM

so are you really comparing a democraticly elected president with a dictator who commited the biggest genocide in the history of mankind? i get it you are one of those die hard republicans but that comparison is crossing the line!

another thing you need to educate yourself is the concept of socialsm you act like it is a bad thing to care for your fellow society-members. being a socalist is in no way equal to being a communist.

your whole point in the previous post was that gun control cannot prevent crimes i say it does by limiting access to deadly weapons. i used your statistics to prove my point. if you are still not convinced you cant be helped.



And you are incorrect... As you said, "I say it does by limiting access to deadly weapons"", meaning you feel gun control works. Shall we also have knife control? Spear control? Rock control? Do you not know that we have only firearms for a few hundred years, yet humans have been killing each other SINCE THE START OF THEIR EXISTENCE. They have used rocks, spears, knives etc... According to you, maybe we just should "control" everything so there can be no murders and we can all live in a plastic bubble.

It is ignorance like this that leads to NOTHING getting better. If you truly want less people being murdered, then you must curb the desire of murder out of the individual.

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Posted 27 April 2012 - 04:15 AM

so are you really comparing a democraticly elected president with a dictator who commited the biggest genocide in the history of mankind? i get it you are one of those die hard republicans but that comparison is crossing the line!

another thing you need to educate yourself is the concept of socialsm you act like it is a bad thing to care for your fellow society-members. being a socalist is in no way equal to being a communist.

your whole point in the previous post was that gun control cannot prevent crimes i say it does by limiting access to deadly weapons. i used your statistics to prove my point. if you are still not convinced you cant be helped.



And you are incorrect... As you said, "I say it does by limiting access to deadly weapons"", meaning you feel gun control works. Shall we also have knife control? Spear control? Rock control? Do you not know that we have only firearms for a few hundred years, yet humans have been killing each other SINCE THE START OF THEIR EXISTENCE. They have used rocks, spears, knives etc... According to you, maybe we just should "control" everything so there can be no murders and we can all live in a plastic bubble.

It is ignorance like this that leads to NOTHING getting better. If you truly want less people being murdered, then you must curb the desire of murder out of the individual.

You are also incorrect on Hitler commiting the "biggest genocide in the history of mankind".

There were at least 20,000,000 people killed in the Soviet Union from 1918 to 1945.

"The Great Leap Forward" in Communist China was the largest genocide in world history, it is estimated at somewhere over 30 million people.

The Jews that were murdered by Hitler is estimated at 6 million.

Now if you want a hardocre dose of the TRUTH, here you go: (it has been my experience in 43 years of life that the truth is usually something that scares leftists)

The Human Cost of "Gun Control" Seizures

Government Dates Targets Civilians Killed "Gun Control" Laws Passed Features of Over-all Gun Control Scheme

Ottoman Turkey 1915-1917 Armenians(mostly Christians) 1 - 1.5 million Art. 166, Pen. Code, 1866 Ban on possession

Soviet Union 1929 - 1945 Political opponents, farming communities 20 million Resolutions, 1918, Decree, July 12, 1920, Art. 59 & 182, Penal code, 1926 Ban on possession


Nazi Germany/occupied Europe 1933 - 1945 Political opponents;Jews; Gypsies;critics; 20 million Law on Firearms & Ammun., 1928, Weapon Law, March 18, 1938, Regulations against Jews,
1938 Ban on possession

Nationalist China 1927-1949 Political opponents; army conscripts; 10 million Art. 205, Crim. Code, 1914 Art. 186-87, Crim. Code, 1935 Ban on private ownership

Red China 1951 - 1952, 1957- 1960, 1966-1976 Political opponents; Rural populations 20-35 million Act of Feb. 20, 1951 Act of Oct. 22, 1957 Prison or death to "counter-revolutionary criminals" and anyone resisting any government program


Guatemala 1960-1981 Mayans & other Indians; 100,000 - 200,000 Decree 36, Nov 25 Act of 1932, Decree 386, 1947 Prohibit carrying guns/Bans on guns

Uganda 1971-1979 Christians/Political enemies 300,000 Firearms Ordinance 1955, Firearms Act, 1970 Warrentless searches, Confiscation powers


Cambodia (Khmer Rouge) 1975-1979 Educated Persons; Political enemies 2 million (66% population reduction) * Art. 322-328, Penal Code, Royal Ordinance 55, 1938

Rwanda 1994 Tutsi people 800,000 Decree-Law No. 12, 1979 •Register guns, owners, ammunition, Owners must justify need, Concealable guns illegal





P.S. You can preach all you want about gun control, however it has NEVER worked in the history of mankind. With a gun you are a citizen, without a gun you are a subject, you sound like a subject to me.

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Posted 27 April 2012 - 07:56 AM

how do you explain the fact that there are far more murders with firearms in the US than Germany? I attribute that to the fact that german laws are somewhat more restrictive. What is your explaination. are americans more willing to commit murder with a gun than any other object??

for the rest you seem have done your homework quoting some laws and such and pulling random numbers out your ass. btw at least 11 million people were killed by the nazis.




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